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Crunchy Crisp Lamb of God sound?

I've been told it can only be found with a Mark IV head... Anybody have any input on this? I've got a boatload of effects, as I'm sure everyone does, and I'm using a Crate BV120 1/2-stack... I love it, but it gets muddy and resonant where I want it crisp... Still raunchy gain, but crisp and clean. I noticed at lower volumes it's a LITTLE better, but not much. Maybe it's the cabinet???

SH-13 and SH-11 pickups (Dimebucker and a Custom-Custom) both on the bridge of my guitars.

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Backing off the gain a little bit will haelp keep it crisp. The Lamb Of God guys actually don't really crank the gain too high on there Mark IV's. I have a Mark IV and I tend to run my Lead Gain, and Lead Drive controls up around 9, but Willie from LoG only turns his gain/drive controls up to 7.
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I may be off, seeing as I'm not a LoG fan, doesn't Willie run two Mark IVs, one with mids cut and one with them boosted? That would be a big factor, IMO.
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no dude......MARK MORTON is the one with two heads and diferent mid setting on each.

u should try an amp with a tight sound, maybe a ENGL will do LoG's sound pretty good.
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I'd say try you gain setting lower like scarecrowX52said. Also try running your gain lower and try putting an overdrive pedal in the mix. It should boost your gain without mucking everything up. That just comes down to shopping some pedals. I prefer overdrive pedals to the straight up distortion variety. Especially if you are going to be pushing the front of an amp with them. You'll get some tube warmth but you'll get that gain you desire.
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u should try an amp with a tight sound, maybe a ENGL will do LoG's sound pretty good.
+1

i was also going to suggest the vht pittbul UL.

but a mark series mesa with a boost would do the trick. be it overdrive or eq pedal.
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Wow... Thanks for the replies, guys... What I have now that is on the gain side of the house is a ton of preamp gain on the dirty channel of the bv120, the Wylde overdrive in front of it, which I rarely use because it's a feedback machine (maybe if I take the gain on the amp down a bit, it'll help... I'm trying that in the morning after work) a GE-7 EQ in the effects loop (maybe I should run it up front?) and a super chorus in the loop cuz it makes weird noises. lol. bunch of other modulation stuff but those are the pedals I use to get the basic tone... Obviously the chorus is barely used... it's just cool to make weird pinch harmonic sounds with a chorus pedal on. haha. But anyhow, anybody think the Wylde OD would help, or should I get a different one?

Also, in about 5 months I'll have money that I could get tubes changed out on the Crate... Maybe I should look into that? I'm also big into modding stuff, made an Octave pedal, etc... maybe I should look into changing pots/caps to get better gain, or whatever.

Thanks a ton,

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EDIT: Is it better to buy a mark series combo and run the crate as a power amp or just save up and buy a head?
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If I were you I would look into a noise suppressor like an NS-2, especially if your using lots of gain. Then run your guitar into the Wylde > EQ > NS-2 > Amp.

I would turn the level up pretty high on the Wylde, but keep the drive, (or gain, or what ever it says), pretty low......like in the first 30% of it's range. With the noise gate after it, you should be able to leave it on all the time, without too much added noise.

Same for the EQ you can use it to help shape your guitar sound before it hits the amp, (and use it to boost your signal even more......if you need to), but the gate should again help keep things fairly quiet.


Actually......now that I think about it, if you get an NS-2, I would put the Wylde & the EQ in the loop of the NS-2......that seems to help kill noise from gain pedals even more.

Also runing like this should allow you to use a bit less preamp gain, and tighten up your sound a bit.

This is similar to how I used to run my rig when I used pedals, and I liked it a lot.
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i was also going to suggest the vht pittbul UL.

but a mark series mesa with a boost would do the trick. be it overdrive or eq pedal.
hhmmm i dont agree with the engl idea...had one and it rlly didn;t have that sound

the VHT would be cool

my framus can pull of that sound rlly well i think...but its closer to the as the palaces burn album

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scarecrow: Guess I should've mentioned I have an NS-2. ;-)
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the one thing that a few people here have mentioned already which will make the biggest difference, in my opinion, is to turn down your preamp gain.

it sounds good at lower volumes but farts out when turned up? well then, as you turn the amp up, back off the gain and the low end. the louder you get the less of both you'll need.
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Yea, now that I'm home from work I was messing with it and that was DEFINITELY apparent... the more I turn the level up, the more sloppy it sounds.
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Yea, now that I'm home from work I was messing with it and that was DEFINITELY apparent... the more I turn the level up, the more sloppy it sounds.
like i said, try backing off the pre gain as you get louder.

how do you set your EQ?
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hhmmm i dont agree with the engl idea...had one and it rlly didn;t have that sound

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well, i have a powerball and it can hit those kinds of sounds really well.
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how do you set your EQ?
Well I've just been messing with it, but it's basically a mid-scoop... a big "V" lol. I'm EQ-illiterate. Haven't messed with them too much, but DEFINITELY want to learn... it seems that's what seriously makes or breaks the muddiness. (I like a lot of lows in my rhythms... Sounds more evil. lol. I'm definitely open to suggestions.

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