classic 50?

thunder 50?

screamer 50?

Engl seems like an odd choice to compliement and orange head.I would think something like a plexi would be better.

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Which orange head do you have? Yeah those are in the area of gain akin to the jcm800. I would suggest a laney, they are more of a bright sounding amp and will really contrast your orange.

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well the reason why I wish to run an engl and an orange together is for a few reasons

#1: i've seen it done once and the tone was incredible
#2: for the music I play everyone is either playing a 5150 or jcm800...I want to step outside of the box and sculpt a sound that really differs from the typical rhythm gain sound
#3: I wish to dial in a bass heavy high gain with the engl and then layer in a bright orange tone on top of it...so actually the orange is used to compliment the engl

the model I have is an AD30HTC. That's why I chose to limit my options to the 50W models because I dont want to cover it up. I am however a bit interested in a few of the 100W models [haha the SE is a bit too spendy for me]

the dealer thought my idea made no sense at all and he recommended a JTM45, so I said alright get it out and lets test it. So I set up the orange through an orange 2x12 and the JTM45 through an orange 2x12 and played em in unison, DIDN'T LIKE IT AT ALL!

again keep in mind that the orange is going to be used to layer in a bright british tone with a modern high gain.

thanks for the words.

Why not complimenting the Orange AD30 with an Orange Rockerverb??? They sound different, and I think they would compliment each other quite well...

That you didn´t like the JTM45 in unison with your Orange is understandable, but the JTM45 sounds best through the Marshall TV cabinet with Greenbacks anyway, I think the Orange cab has been also a reason why you didn´t like the sound...

I think your idea is a good idea, since many bands get their heavy tones this way (e.g. Bad Religion)...

All in all i think the best compliment would be either a:

Orange Rockerverb 50 watt
Mesa Single Rectifier (I really mean this honestly!!!)
Framus Dragon (although probably too loud)
Engl Thunder 50 watt
Engl Fireball,

although I don´t think the Engls would be the best choice... Just an opinion though...

Greets, Dominik

Greets, Dominik

thanks man. I will look into the rockerverb, can it achieve a good "modern" sounding high gain? I did concider the cab choice afterwards, but either way I wasn't too into it. Yeah I've seen plenty of bands do this...in ways it's like the ultimate eq...you can dial in exactly how you want your lows to sound and exactly how bright you want your highs.

any other suggestions out their?

i don't think the classic 50 is going to get you where you want to go.

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According to the Rockerverbs - they sound more "modern" than the AD30s, darker, bassier and meatier with significantly more gain, but I´d say they´d have a sort of a bit "vintagey" vibe...

Try it out, your ears would tell you best anyway... I had the feeling that a Rockerverb would be a good addition to an AD30 - but that´s my ears anyway...

Good Luck!!!

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I always thought that ENGL's tended to be quite tight and trebly...there are better amps (I think) for a heavy low end...

Bogner maybe, always heard that they were quite heavy and mesa-ish
Rectifier? I know they're pretty common but they sound like what you want
Maybe some kind of rack? You could sell the orange and run two preamps maybe?

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The Engl's I've heard (Powerball & Ritchie Blackmore models) weren't too trebly or bright-sounding at all, they had monstrous low-end. I actually think wowimrad's got an interesting idea, I'd bet that between those two amps you'd cover a lot of sonic territory, frequency-wise. Could be pretty cool.

BTW, Immortal, how are you liking the POD Pro/Marshall poweramp combination? I use a PODxt Live with an old Ampeg clean tube amp and love the hell out of it. I tried the xtLive with a Mesa 2:90 poweramp and didn't like it. I wanted to try running it into a Marshall 100/100 but then I found the Ampeg and stopped trying different amps.

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to be honest, I don't really know about the 9005, it's still waiting retubing and general fixing up, only channel B works at the moment...and I'm quite keen to try it with the GFX-1, an FX unit, overdrive etc...it doesn't EQing it wrong, maybe the power amp is f*cked...I don't know...

however, the POD PRO/Marshall 8004 sounds pretty damn great... I bought the 8004 with the GFX-1 and a 1x12 cab for 128 quid, and I plan on selling the 1x12, so it is going to work out as having been very cheap. It's not massively loud (I didn't want something too loud, I use it for practices etc) but it sounds pretty great...very plain tone, but it produces a very faithful reproduction of the POD...in fact at present I'm just running

Guitar-->Pod Pro-->8004-->2x12 and it sounds pretty solid...

...although I'd much rather have your rig...

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thanks man you pretty much nailed it. In fact I agree with the powerball and RB model...I listened to several sound clips and all of them seemed to be pretty low end high gain, which is exactly what I'm going for, but it's 100W which means that I'd have to run it a bit lower and I cant help but think that it may ruin the distortion. All of the sound clips I have heard of the thunder50 and screamer50 were all bluesy rock n roll kind of things, nothing that really applied to my sound, so it's hard to base an opinion on it.

I went into GC today, played around with a mesa dual rec. [they didn't have a single in stock] and a marshall JCM2000 50W.

and I dont know, the mesa was pretty cool, but I dont know how much different the single rectifier is from the dual. The marshall jcm2000 was pretty sweet.

thanks man you pretty much nailed it. In fact I agree with the powerball and RB model...I listened to several sound clips and all of them seemed to be pretty low end high gain, which is exactly what I'm going for, but it's 100W which means that I'd have to run it a bit lower and I cant help but think that it may ruin the distortion. All of the sound clips I have heard of the thunder50 and screamer50 were all bluesy rock n roll kind of things, nothing that really applied to my sound, so it's hard to base an opinion on it.

I went into GC today, played around with a mesa dual rec. [they didn't have a single in stock] and a marshall JCM2000 50W.

and I dont know, the mesa was pretty cool, but I dont know how much different the single rectifier is from the dual. The marshall jcm2000 was pretty sweet.

The Single Recto is 50 watts (dual 100) and doesn´t have the option to switch from SS rectifier to valve rectifier - just has a SS rectifier... Because of the less wattage it sounds a bit sweeter, ´cuz you turn it up more, power amp has to work a little bit more and therefore a more sagging valve rectifier is´nt needed... But basically the sound should be quite the same!!!

Greets, Dominik

what about the mesa Stiletto Deuce?

I've been reading about it and it seems pretty rad, it's got the multi-watt thing so by defualt I can run in 50w but if it's an unmicd venue I can switch it to 100 and run a bit more.

and based on some reviews I read it's geared more towards heavy music, I'll have to go and test this thing with the orange