Looks like Fender's got some new toys - Fender "Pawn Shop" Amps - Page 3

cerebro911 · #31 01.24.12, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lobsty

Dunno... do EMG make active lipstick pickups?

They make funny looking active single-coils for strat, that's close enough.

lobsty · #32 01.25.12, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by cerebro911

They make funny looking active single-coils for strat, that's close enough.

Cool, let's do it - we'll get one each, tune them to B and play überdeath emo alt country synthpop.

asatbluesboy · #33 01.25.12, 6:04 AM

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Originally Posted by olddawg

But you do know that Keith Richards main guitar for decades has been a 52 or 53 Tele with a Gibson PAF on it backwards in the neck position?

Yeah, and I hate him for it. Especially because it sounds good.

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Originally Posted by Doctor J

3) When someone gets irritated by the things that someone else says, then the speaker is the one with the problem, not the listener. Meaning, yes, it is your fault when what you say bothers other people. That doesn't mean they can't be wrong, but this part isn't about right and wrong; it's about how people feel (which is an admittedly weird, shades-of-gray, muddy area).

I would have to politely disagree with that. Some people can be bothered by what you say because they feel bad about that particular subject/word/whatnot. I had this girlfriend once who would accuse me of being coc ky, but it was really just her crappy self-esteem--I'd asked other people and not one of them thought I was coc ky.

Edit: my favorite example on the listener's blame is a movie made during the military dictatorship here in Brazil that had a scene with a submarine cut off, allegedly because it looked like a penis. It didn't, really. It was a real good submarine replica. Now, whether the real thing looks like a wiener I'm not entitled to say.

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I didn't take it as insulting, but the "purism" was baffling to me. And it sums up my whole point about people's personal preferences not being Truth. Just because you have a certain set of tastes doesn't mean that they are or should be Universal. It's just your opinion. I didn't mean for that anecdote to come off as whiny or to make it sound as if I'd been personally insulted. It was only supposed to illustrate my point that there's a fine line between personal taste, purism, and condescension that is easily crossed.

Illustration point taken, and I'm not even sure it was me--though it sounds remarkably like me. Either way, this is the internets. Taste-venting that leads to pointless debating was not invented here, but it's certainly raised the bar--or lowered it, if you like.

mmasonmusic · #34 01.25.12, 11:28 AM

I'll admit that the Excelsior looks like it might be kind of cool.

In the demos I have heard it sounds a bit like my Silvertone 15" amp. I imagine my Silvertone sounds warmer, more broken in and dirtier.

The Gretta seems like Fender's run at the little amp market, the Epiphone Valve Junior, Vox AC-4, ect... The speaker on it is a complete waste though... it might be cool as a low watt head through some real speakers, and they did something in the demo where they ran the line-out of the amp into another amp and had the Gretta provide the tube distortion, but my take away from that was it would be better to have a distortion pedal...

I still don't get the appeal of the "Pawn-Shop" marking... isn't the whole appeal of pawn shop amps that you found them for dirt cheap and made them your own...

I don't know to each his own...

Doctor J · #35 01.25.12, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by asatbluesboy

I would have to politely disagree with that. Some people can be bothered by what you say because they feel bad about that particular subject/word/whatnot. I had this girlfriend once who would accuse me of being coc ky, but it was really just her crappy self-esteem--I'd asked other people and not one of them thought I was coc ky.

Now you're talking about the listener being right about his/her internal assumptions. I was saying that being right or wrong wasn't the issue. The emotional response in the listener to the speaker's words was the issue. Pretty basic cause and effect. I also think it's the speaker's responsibility to make sure the message is able to be understood by the listener, but that's a whole other topic. Basically, yeah, the responsibility is in the speaker's hands. The speaker is, after all, the one engaging in the act.

asatbluesboy · #36 01.25.12, 1:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor J

Now you're talking about the listener being right about his/her internal assumptions. I was saying that being right or wrong wasn't the issue. The emotional response in the listener to the speaker's words was the issue. Pretty basic cause and effect. I also think it's the speaker's responsibility to make sure the message is able to be understood by the listener, but that's a whole other topic. Basically, yeah, the responsibility is in the speaker's hands. The speaker is, after all, the one engaging in the act.

It is the speaker's responsibility, though the emotional response of the listener might be out of place.

But yes, in a perfect world it would be solely the speaker's fault.

NoFroBro · #37 01.25.12, 5:21 PM

If we are waxing philosophical then it doesn't have to be a 'perfect' world. Any world will do. If the speaker had not spoken (regardless of intention) then the unwanted emotional response could not have occurred.

Personally I think that the speaker needs to self censor concept is complete poodle arse noise. Being able to represent the full range of human expression is essential to the operation of any form of art. This is especially true of music. More to the point if it is accepted that the responsibilty for the act falls upon the actor (speaker in the current context) then what ever it is that is expressed they hold full responsibilty for the effects.

If you read (reread) the Keeping Guitar Geek a safe and friendly place thread then you will see I make exactly this point. What you express (even on an online forum) says things about you as well as encoding what ever message you intended to convey.

So I guess at the heart of this is that if what you are going to say/do is going to piss someone else off you have to accept the responsibilty for pissing them off. Compare this to the most commonally held perception of online expression for a heavy dischord.

Personally I want to hear the little Fender but have very slight expectations for it's utility.

olddawg · #38 01.25.12, 5:58 PM

Poodle arse noise? Now I'm really offended! I won't get that vision out of my head for hours. Lol.... But then, some art is meant to be deliberately offensive. I'm not deliberately offensive perse. But what do you do when you have the gift. Luckily I have mellowed with age. I also have a soft spot for hyperbole.

asatbluesboy · #39 01.26.12, 5:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NoFroBro

So I guess at the heart of this is that if what you are going to say/do is going to piss someone else off you have to accept the responsibilty for pissing them off.

True dat. The holy right of keeping your mouth shut. But at the end of the day I really just wanted every gearhead in the world to feel exactly the same as I do gearwise. Can I be blamed for that?

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Personally I want to hear the little Fender but have very slight expectations for it's utility.

Wishing you're wrong, thinking you're right...

Doctor J · #40 01.26.12, 1:14 PM

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Personally I think that the speaker needs to self censor concept is complete poodle arse noise. Being able to represent the full range of human expression is essential to the operation of any form of art. This is especially true of music. More to the point if it is accepted that the responsibilty for the act falls upon the actor (speaker in the current context) then what ever it is that is expressed they hold full responsibilty for the effects.

+1

That's probably a better way to say what I meant. You can say whatever you want, as long as you accept responsibility for it and don't try to dodge it after the fact.

asatbluesboy · #41 01.27.12, 3:52 AM

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+1

That's probably a better way to say what I meant. You can say whatever you want, as long as you accept responsibility for it and don't try to dodge it after the fact.

So we agreed from the start? Jesus, I hate this place... You can't even have a proper quarrel.

keksdose · #42 01.27.12, 9:35 AM

ok know that this is settled back to topic:

has anyone ever heard of electric pick-ups for an accordion??

fbccars924 · #43 01.27.12, 9:46 AM

heres my take V
internet arguments truth

Doctor J · #44 01.27.12, 9:51 AM

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So we agreed from the start? Jesus, I hate this place... You can't even have a proper quarrel.

Well, I never said anyone should self-censor. Even if you follow my position that far, the worst thing I'm advocating is that people be aware of what they say and how they say it. That's not even controversial; it's part of being in society and dealing with other people.