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there seems to be some naysayers about this combination here.

when I had an SG, I loved the body, but didn`t care for the neck.

I really like the snappiness and playability of a maple board.

I know that some 80s Ibanez guitars had this combination, Blazers, Roadstars, and RGs

and here is a tele
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k7...buckerTele.jpg

what are you thoughts on this??
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Suhr Guitars Discussion :: View topic - mahogany body and maple neck

there seems to be some naysayers about this combination here.

when I had an SG, I loved the body, but didn`t care for the neck.

I really like the snappiness and playability of a maple board.

I know that some 80s Ibanez guitars had this combination, Blazers, Roadstars, and RGs

and here is a tele
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k7...buckerTele.jpg

what are you thoughts on this??
My thoughts are I'm building a Mahogany body for my Bullet Strat (Figured maple neck/board!)

I think it can sound good, if a bit diffrent.
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What about an ebony fretboard with a mahogany body? Ebony's supposed to be a very bright wood like maple is.
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PRS CEs are this combination. And awesome.
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What about an ebony fretboard with a mahogany body? Ebony's supposed to be a very bright wood like maple is.
I'd Go Purpleheart, not Ebony. It's barely Softer, and it's only a million times cheaper.
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I'd Go Purpleheart, not Ebony. It's barely Softer, and it's only a million times cheaper.
I was leaning towards ebony because Stevie Ray Vaugn wa talking about how it sounded clear like a maple fretboard, but still had beef like rosewood too. Does Purpleheart give a similiar tone?
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PRS CEs are this combination. And awesome.
Heh heh... to the point and spot on.
I don't have a mahogany/maple guitar but I've often thought about doing a Warmoth or USACG guitar like that - smallish Strat body with maple neck and two humbuckers - haven't done anything about it but it's been in the back of my mind for a while.

There were some old shred guitars with that combo, like the Nightswan, as well as a lot of current Schecters and things like that. Sometimes people don't like a particular wood combo because it doesn't really work... other times people don't like it because no one was doing it in 1959
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There have been strats and teles with this combination. I tried a tele custom that was mahagony/maple and really liked it, minus the 3 bolt neck joint and switch placement.
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... other times people don't like it because no one was doing it in 1959
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There were some old shred guitars with that combo, like the Nightswan, as well as a lot of current Schecters and things like that. Sometimes people don't like a particular wood combo because it doesn't really work... other times people don't like it because no one was doing it in 1959
I always find it funny how an instrument with such a rebellious background and short history evokes conservative thoughts on how the instrument should be made.

Anyway, back to the topic...
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some decent replies here, thanks.

I keep thinking to have a guitar built for me, out of the things I love about different guitars.

I like my mustang, but love mahogany.

and recently got into maple necks.

pickups: You know I love Ibanez Talmans, so 3 lipsticks!

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my Mustang(copy) has this funky roller bridge, thats made of thick metal, has a loud awesome sound. and I`d want it to be string-thru, for more sustain.

I`ve tried the Richmond Belmont
http://www.godinguitars.com/namm09/vimage_2.jpg
with 2 lipsticks in a mahogany body and liked it, though the body is large and heavy for me.
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Most people go back to the old stand-bys of what a Les Paul, Strat, or Les Paul are traditionally made of, but it's important to know that a good portion of those design decisions were originally made on the basis of what was possible in terms of the mass production of instruments, especially in terms of tooling or supply. To say that Les Pauls are traditionally made from mahogany because Gibson had a long tradition of working with mahogany wouldn't be inaccurate (it's also why they have more traditional pre-Fender features like the carved top and the tilted headstock). Fender's concern with production supply meant that they were interested in using domestic woods like alder, ash, and maple, which you almost never saw in guitars prior to the telecaster and strat.

That isn't to say that other factors aren't involved - it's just that they probably didn't figure in as much as people think they do. In my opinion, weight is the biggest reason why you don't see many mahogany Fender bodies (and when you do, they're often chambered). According to the Fender Custom Shop, Leo Fender's decision to include rosewood option for the first time on the 59 Jazzmaster was entirely based on seeing worn maple fretboards on television - he thought they looked ugly (of course, now guitars with worn maple boards are sold new as relics for a premium). And later, when the slab rosewood boards were changed to veneer, this again had to do with production and nothing to do with sound or playability.

Re: the original question about mahogany and maple not playing well together - that's pretty much b.s., even on super traditional instruments. A Les Paul is primarily mahogany with a maple cap and of course the blend sounds great. Of course, a strong component of why this was done again goes back to production. Maple capped instruments are slightly cheaper than solid mahogany because the maple is domestic. Also, the maple is suitable for burst finishes which are difficult to do with mahogany. A solid maple body would sound bright for sure, but the underlying reason why you don't see this often is that solid maple weighs a ton. A tele body made of solid maple can weigh 7 pounds (I have one), which is around 2 lbs more than the "desirable" weight of an ash body.

Nowadays almost anyone can use almost any wood to roll their own. Wood is less important than the actual workmanship involved in construction. Taylor famously made a guitar made out of old pallets that sounded great. Antonio Torres Jurado made an acoustic guitar out of papier mache. Pine bodies are popular after years of people thinking it was too soft to do anything with. Etc etc.
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All good points... I guess we just need someone ultra-cool to play a mahogany body/maple neck guitar and then they'll be the next big thing

Some early Mustangs had mahogany bodies, some had poplar and there have been a few other mahogany bodied Fenders around. Has anyone ever played one of those HSS Deluxe Strats with the mahogany body that were around a few years ago? I'd be curious to know what they're like.

In that Suhr link there is another link to Ed Yoon from Suhr saying why he thinks the mahogany/maple combo doesn't work which is quite interesting... to be honest I don't have much experience with that combination but I am a bit skeptical about blanket statements. For example I once tried a small bodied acoustic guitar that was made entirely out of maple (except the fingerboard) and rather than being thin and bright it sounded big, rich and full, so who knows?
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I was leaning towards ebony because Stevie Ray Vaugn wa talking about how it sounded clear like a maple fretboard, but still had beef like rosewood too. Does Purpleheart give a similiar tone?
Well, If it helps, here's a bass with a Purpleheart fingerboard: YouTube - ‪Wishbass #1103‬‏

Purpleheart sounds like purpleheart, I am balls at describing sounds.
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Robotron, thanks for the informative post.


what about the issue of balance?

I remember I had a Yamaha Bass, and a electric hollowbody 12 string.

as soon as I let go of the neck, the headstock dropped down to my knees.

I`ve seen some mustangs and dousonics with maple necks, not sure what the bodies were.
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