Hi, I'm wondering if it's an ebow creating this long sustained notes. There was another track, called Sinfony, that's just guitar that I was looking for, for reference, but there doesn't seem to be a copy of it on youtube. From 3:10 onward the notes just hold and ring out till the end

Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins - Ascendo - YouTube

Most probably. Corgan's been known to use an E-bow on a number of songs, although he sometimes utilises feedback to get sustaining droney notes. The feedback technique often takes a lot of repeated takes to get the right tone and pitch though, so that's usually what he does in the studio. An E-bow gives more consistent results and easier to use, especially live.

The intermission bit of Soma allegedly uses multiple overdubs of E-bowed acoustic guitars!

That's a cool song though. I kinda wish he did that sort of experimental stuff more often.

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In an interview he said "that noisy little thing on the beginning of Earphoria" was all Ebow. I guess he was refering to Sinfony. The track you linked to sounds like a combination of ebow'd guitars and feedback guitars, kind of different voices.

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There's ebows all over SP stuff - check out Stand inside your love for a good example.

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That's for sure. Hopefully he gets his groove back where the great stuff just flows like it used to.

That track was actually on a cassette tape that came with my Ebow when I bought it. There were lessons on how to use it and then tracks by profeshionals, that was one of the tracks.

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Slightly OT :


. . . has anyone ever tried an EHX FREEZE for sustained note holding ?

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Huh, that's cool. Wonder if he wrote it just for that, then.

not to hi-jack with a long answer: yes. and it kills.


to OP, that does indeed sound like eBow to my ears. I think Mmason's story kinda seals it, though.

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Hi Phil - thanx !

I just ordered one, so it is good to know

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That is EBow, but he also uses a Sustainer pickup a lot as well. Adore-era is more a mix of both depending on the part.

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yep. thats e-bow.

adore is full of it too. very elegantly and smooth used btw, check Daphne Descends

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Nope. It was always James Iha.

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I don't mean to be pedantic or argumentative, but I think you're mistaken. I've never read an interview with Billy *anywhere* that states he's never used one whenever they're discussed in interviews. I always assumed that Billy and James used each other's gear quite often so it's a fair bet both of them used E-bows on various tracks. Unless the title of the linked vid in this thread's original post is mistaken!

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ummm maybe in studio, but in live context i've never seen corgan with an ebow, thats always iha duttie...

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