i dissagree with you. EVERY, and i mean absolutely EVERY alesis unit I've ever owned has been noisy. Not noisy in the sense of humming, but in the relm of tone-loss, i've had absolutely nothing worse.

i still own a nano-verb, and the reverbs are beaut, but they're too sensitive and clip at the slightest dynamic. yuk...

i stick to pedals: Digiverb and RV-3...
just easier. w 2 verbs and 3 delays on my board, i'm pretty welll covered..

BTW, I have a very similar rig to what he said.

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My nanoverb is pretty noisy. It wooshes and fizes all the time, and it sucks tone too. I have to keep it out of my signal path when i'm not using it.

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Fiveways, thankyou. This thread is amazing.

I have a Holy Grail and I'm having trouble with it. It's my first dedicated reverb and I really don't like it when it goes past 12o'clock on the knob. I'm wanting really huge reverbs but I find the HG unusable up there.

Would it be worth me looking into some rack units? The Boss SEs? Microverb? Maybe the 507 would be worth it if it's cheap.

How does the Magicstomp do on the reverb front?

Also, what's the slowest phaser on the market (that you know of)??

Excuse all the questions but you asked for 'em.

Thanks again.

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ahh.. a long time ago, there was a 'Space Rock Pedals' thread.. there might be something interesting reading in there too:

http://guitargeek.com/chat/showthrea...ce+rock+pedals

From that, how about Vocoders? Does anyone know much about these? I think they have a place in ambient music.

I USE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love vocoders. All my vocal songs are vocoded.

I cannot express my love for the vocoder enough.

I could write a book on vocoders, the good and the bad.

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Teh 507 is CHEAP. So are se-50 now. Both are really good. I love them.

the magic stomp is apperently amazing. I haven;t heard it in full effect yet, so I will have to pass on a solid opinion.

The slowest phaser I have ever heard is the old moog rack phaser or the phase in a arp 2600. The Biphase can also get hella long sweeps.

There you go.

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Is the 507 noisy?

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Not a bit. Either with adaptor or battery.

Seriously, I keep TRYING to get it off my board, and it just doesn;t work.

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This thread looks like fun! Lemme jump right in -

Slowest phaser = infinitphase or TC XII Programmable Phaser (you can actually stop the TC XII)

PDS 20/20 - there is some sound degradation when you tweak the delay time and max it out - echoey, space tone like. I like to set up a loop, twiddle it into space and then come back to earth.

SPX90 - excellent, stereo, panning, pitch shifting, all sorts of reverb and early reflections.

Alesis - for a short time, the ModFx boxes are being blown out for $50 each at MF. Phase, flange, tremolo and autopan, vocoder, resonant filter - all could give great ambient sounds. AS long as you realize they were designed for DJ's to use, that you need to run them in an fx loop or off your mixer, or you can run them after a good line buffer amp sim like the Morley JD-10, and that you can turn them on and off with an $8 sustain pedal from Radio Shack.

After all - the ambient music world is supposed to use weird tools.

a new outfit I'm checking out is eowave in France - again line level effects, but very interesting - low pass filter, sequenced filter, ring mod - all analog and 169 Euros each. Phase and delay units coming.

Anyware in Germany makes the Megapole Lite, another powerful analog resonant filter for about 150 Euros.

For other cheap fx, don't count out the Arion line, specifically the Phaser, Flanger, Octave, and Analog Delay. All but the octave are stereo. The SAD-1 delay is the king, the SAD-3 is just fair.

Then there's Big Jam by Multivox - getting harder to find, the analog delay/reverb, BiPhase, FlanJam, and Spit Wah (I love that name!) are all great little boxes.

Now go make noise!

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I mentioned the alesis's but didn't get into them....you saved me that post

They are wonderful and are STILL being blown out for $50.....If only I lived in the US. Though, I might get a friend to order them all for me....or at least the flanger, phase, filter, tremolo, and vocoder.

And arion are great boxes as well. There older DDL's are wickedly lowfi and spit out some really interesting sounds.

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How are the tremolo, phaser and filter? I'm downloading the manuals but my computer is ridiculously slow.

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Those are the three I have: the Philtre, Faze, and Ampliton (don't you just love marketing?)

The Philtre does HP, LP, BP, and band stop. The speed control, like all the ModFx I've tried has a very wide range - from verrry slow to ring mod. The typical rsonant filter sweeps are all here plus a random pattern mode and a sample & hold mode. There is also an envelope riggered mode which I have not mastered. Huge sounds, speaker rattling, tooth shattering, and sweet too.

The Faze has five phaser modes, three of which play with the stereo filed. Oh, did I mention, all the ModFx are stereo in and out. The Faze has the pattern and S&H modes as well as an envelope and uncertianty mode.

The Ampliton has square wave or triangle wave tremolo with a triggered and random pattern mode. It also has autopanning with simialr modes. You can use the pan side as a second LFO and get syncopated tremolo.

And all three of these have tap tempo too.

The Phlangr has similar controls plus a Through Zero mode - watch out Dave Fox!

A special note - each unit comes with its own power supply - a 9V AC wall wart with a whopping 830 mA, so don't expect to run them off your Boss plugs.

If you set them up right, accounting for their line level preferences, you can get some cool sounds for cheap.

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Yeh, I do like my SAD-3. Haven't tried a SAD-1 before, but mine is okay for now.. great lo-fi delay and especially great theremin-like oscillation.

delay and fuzz guide tomorrow boys and girls.

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the fuzz, are you going onto just "general gain," "general high gain" or only fizzy stuff? as an example, would the ibanez BN-5 be able to be included (black noise from the soundtank series)?

just curious

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Good read