subtle how? can someone explain to me what you mean by subtle envelope filter?

When I call an Envelope Filter Subtle I'm talking about a Lucky like Shimmer rather than something Funky.

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but see you cant really explain it...explain the difference.

If it's Subtle then it has quite a gently, almost natural shimmering sound, trebbly but not to the point that it's annoying. Something funky is the very obvious Wah type sound, the stereotype Wah Wah Wah.

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well then my pedal is different from the ones the other guy tried out cuz i swear i can get that shimmer treble sound out of mine. i guess im lucky i guess.

by the way--thanks for explaining it to me...and now i know what you mean...the funky is where you have the envelope wah bloom that most filters get...then the subtle side is just barely noticable right? yeah you just have to play with its sensitivity and get it just right and i can get it.

You're welcome. The kind of thing I'm looking for is where you can strum gently and get that shimmer but once you're really strumming hard it begins to give quite a good Trebly Wah sound to it. Something quite Shoegaze like.

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listen to a lovetone meatball

then u'll see how it can b subtle and extreme

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alright--where can i get links for mp3s to hear this?

Oh, I think I know what you mean. That's what I used my Ibanez auto-wah for back when it was my only pedal. It's a really cool sound.

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that was some pretty cool clips...too synthy for my likings. how much do they run? i dont know i didnt hear any of subtleness in those clips but im sure it can do it all. i dont know so yiou disagree that the fx25 can be subtle?

same here.. i couldn't figure out how to get it either.. we're both LUCKY

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Boovya got the Shimmer out but you didn't so that means he's lucky not you.

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yay!!!! booyaka sha

i dont know im still stuck on saying how i think the fx25 is underrated...for someone who wants something just to have a hint of filter to layers then i think it kicks ass for the price. for something really really dominant filter sounding then maybe get something wit more bells and whistles.

whoops i'm blind.. i don't have my glasses on.. i thougth he said can't.. haha

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