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Old 04.15.05, 3:11 PM
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filters before and after distorion and boosts

filters before or after distorion and boosts? curious if anyone's got any words of wisdom.

in my mind i've usually thought that filters, like wah or lo-pass etc, should go before distortion-type devices, but then i remembered checking out a MOOG display somewhere that had the Ring Mod in front of the phaser and low-pass filter... and it sounded a-ok. i've also always used phasers AFTER distortion, but maybe i should try to flop them (?). a low-pass sounds good after a square wave, why not put one in line after a RAT, right? i'm also thinking: i want to hit any synth-like processor or pitch/octave pedals with a strong signal, so should a gain pedal go in front for best results? it seems most pedals like that work best when there's few (if anything) in front of them, but maybe there's a better logic to it that i'm missing.

anyway, any thoughts are appreciated...
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Old 04.18.05, 10:08 PM
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Having never found an inexpensive phaser that I liked the sound of, I can't help you with that one. As to the rest:

I put wahs, filters, and octave/pitchshifting effects before my dirt boxes. For some reason, most people don't like putting wahs before distortion, but I do. I put filters before dirt boxes because they respond better that way; if you put them after the dirt boxes, the signal running through them is much stronger and more constant, so they have less of a chance to affect the tone due to a lack of dynamics. And octave/pitchshifting effects don't benefit from a strong signal; they benefit from a pure, noise-free, uncluttered signal. This is why when I use my Whammy, it's always the first thing in the chain (unless I'm using it as a feedback loop, but that's a completely different story). For awhile, I tried putting filters before the Whammy, and it just didn't work out; there really wasn't that much of a difference in sound, and it threw the tracking off. It did sound better, though, and if there weren't tracking issues, I'd definitely put the filter before the Whammy.

Well, that was quite the long, incoherent ramble . Hope it made sense.
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Old 04.19.05, 2:32 AM
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filter always before

phase always after for me personally

however, whilst i don't like wah pedals, if i did use one it would go after distortion
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Just mix and match and whichever sound best keep it that way.

Personally I put my filters (Synth Wah and Adrenalinn) after my distortion but I like to turn the knobs on my distortion all the way up and sculpt the feedback with the filters.

Right now my phaser is before my distortion and I hate it, but It's the only place I can put it right now because Small Stones are tone suckers and If I put anything after my Big Muff in front of my amp it's an even bigger tone sucker. But phase usually does sound better after distortion.
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Mine go before distortion especially my wah. That is a must before distortion for me anyway. Then i put other filters after e.g. envelope.
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Usually I like wah before distortion. Phase after distortion. If I'm doing a sample and hold filter with peaks that are too high, (or envelope with bottoms too low) I might put a dirt box after it to smooth out the extremes and give it more focus.
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