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Old 04.10.10, 4:49 AM
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Newbie questions from a Gen Y'er

Hello Folks!
Just like the thread title says, this here is actually a horribly embarrassing question from someone who grew up with generation Y....

What do I mean? I mean I've never owned a stompbox before. Instead, I grew up with a line6 pod and then moved to a tc electronics G-major. Of course, my amp has a foot pedal, so I do know that wonderful sound and feeling of stompin' on a switch! Well, here I am, about the time when digital effects are starting to actually sound good and guess what? I want to setup an analog pedal board!

So, with a digital multi-effects unit I would have, for instance, a patch with delay, a flanger, and a reverb for my clean sound. Then comes the crunchy part of the song where I just want a straightforward overdrive without reverb or anything else. I simply click the next patch and I have a preset without the clean effects. When I need to, I can switch back with one click.

So here is what I don't get. What do the pros (who have analog pedal boards) do when they need to switch sounds like that? It would seem to be super difficult to have to disengage three pedals, and then engage an overdrive pedal every time you switch from a clean to a dirty sound. I can't think of the last time I saw a touring band live who did that. If I ever see them change their effects it's always pretty quick...or like when I saw Muse last week, they have a guitar tech in the back, which isn't an option for me obviously.

So...I guess that's really the embarrassing part -- I don't really understand how to use an all analog fx board.

Any of your links/experiences/techniques will be greedily absorbed by me.

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you would need to make separate chains of effects and use a line selector or a an fx looper pedal to toggle back and forth between your 2 chains.
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http://www.loop-master.com/product_i...roducts_id=151

that site has a lot of useful stuff all in this stream of thought, but for what you described, i think you may only need that

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you can generally find that boss one for under 20 dollars, and it can power other pedals. i'm using one now, they come in really handy! i should move up to a two loop pedal because what i use for distortion (my gain stage) is three pedals long and my modulation/delay stage is 4 pedals long. so if i have a loop pedal that allows me to have two loops (essentially two of the boss pedals in one enclosure) i can switch between two groups of effects.
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You may already know, in which case apologies if this sounds patronising, but the way you worded your question sounds like you may have a slightly confused notion of what 'analogue' means...

Just to clarify, you realise that 'stompbox' does not mean 'analogue'? I'd say that few guitarists have all-analogue pedalboards - Matt Bellamy, for example, whom you mentioned, uses both analogue digital effects.

A stompbox can contain either analogue or digital circuitry. Apologies if you are already aware.
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Man that's the ultimate question isn't!
You could run a Boss Line Selector or an A/B/Y pedal.

Run all your dirt on A and all your modulation on B

When you want to switch from dirt to modulation you would press the button to select channel A, and when you want clean with modulation you'd select channel B. If you wanted to run them together you'd select a Y configuration (if you have an A/B/Y pedal). You could even have your dirt go to one amp and your clean to another (Johny Greenwood of Radiohead does this).

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Just to clarify, you realise that 'stompbox' does not mean 'analogue'? I'd say
No offense taken, and you are right, I did not word my question very accurately. I do know that a lot of the pedals (like the popular line6 DL4 for example) are actually digital. I suppose I was just thinking analog because the particular pedals I was looking at purchasing happen to be. But you are completely right, my question could apply just as easily to a digital stompbox.

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Thanks to all of your replies!
A true bypass switching box like the ones you provided links for
would work perfectly. My only question is, do a lot of the touring bands use these selectors? I don't see too many of them on the guitar rigs page. Or maybe it's just moot because they have guitar techs doing their switching behind stage?

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Thanks to all of your replies!
A true bypass switching box like the ones you provided links for
would work perfectly. My only question is, do a lot of the touring bands use these selectors? I don't see too many of them on the guitar rigs page. Or maybe it's just moot because they have guitar techs doing their switching behind stage?

Thanks!
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a lot of people using them including professionals. most often you'll find line selectors or a/b/y in a lot peoples rigs but wont pick up on them because there are so many home made and custom versions and a million names for them.

then again it's always at the needs of the guitar player. you'll find in the end the super pro's one up most on this kind of arrangement. guys like david gilmour and lou reed etc. all now have customized pedal boards where all the pedals have been put on a rack and a midi foot controller selects everything or have the pedals rehoused and routed how they want.

the world is your oyster man no wrong way about it. just the tried and proven methods and unorthodox methods that yield some surprises.
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bah!

learn to jump, mate.
you got two feet, don't cha?
i'm a gen y too and i'm not bloody slack.
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I've been using a GCX audio switcher with a Ground Control Pro. As a fellow Gen Y\r and a former Line 6 user I can assur you that this is exactly what your looking for. You can keep your pedals in a rack so that there is less clutter in front of you and you can creat your patches using any combination of pedals. Also the midi function allows you to midi map effects that are midi capable.

As messy bedroom says a lot of pros use this type of setup. I found the Voodoo Lab GCX/Ground Control Pro to be quite decently priced.

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Hey the GCX is exactly the type of thing I was thinking of...something pro and practical!
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Scribble:
"bah!

learn to jump, mate.
you got two feet, don't cha?
i'm a gen y too and i'm not bloody slack. "

lol!!
Yeah, problem is I'm also the singer, and I'm not great at keeping track of every pedal and singing with emotion. I'd end up just lookin confused
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