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Old 11.25.11, 3:54 PM
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need a little help here

I've been playing covers to these guys and people have been askin for me to play like on the new live performances with all the effects and stuff. So, it would be awesome if you guys can help me by showing how to set up the effects for my next gig. I'm attaching a video with the desired sound. I appreciate any help or advise. Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_LAg...DC43740478D66B

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48 views not a single line? not even to day you guys dont know?? awesome!
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Welcome to Guitar Geek,

Now I think System of a Down suck donkeys so I only listened briefly.

If I was to try to emulate the sounds I heard I'd either get a suitable amp (Mesa/Marshall/whatever) or a Metal Zone style pedal in front of any amp loud enough for your needs. For the solo you'd need a delay, and a phaser or flanger, maybe even a wah wah to get some of the faster sweeps.

"Here let me Google that for you" leads to: System of a Down's Daron Malakian's Guitar Rig Gear and Equipment

Turns out that's exactly what he seems to use or has used in the past.

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One of the reasons you got lots of views and no answers (till mine) is you really didn't include enough information. What gear do you use now? It may be that you have a multieffects unit that can be programmed to provide coverage and a really suitable amp (or an infinity of other setups). We don't know because you didn't tell us.
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Thanks so much for doing that even though it is a band you dislike. My gear includes line 6 spider IV amp... Boss noise suppression, mxr phase 90, mxr micro flanger, line 6 dl4 delay, last but not least ibanez tube screamer for distortion... How do you think I can tweek that up? Again thanks so much.


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Welcome to Guitar Geek,

Now I think System of a Down suck donkeys so I only listened briefly.

If I was to try to emulate the sounds I heard I'd either get a suitable amp (Mesa/Marshall/whatever) or a Metal Zone style pedal in front of any amp loud enough for your needs. For the solo you'd need a delay, and a phaser or flanger, maybe even a wah wah to get some of the faster sweeps.

"Here let me Google that for you" leads to: System of a Down's Daron Malakian's Guitar Rig Gear and Equipment

Turns out that's exactly what he seems to use or has used in the past.

-----------------------------//-------------------------

One of the reasons you got lots of views and no answers (till mine) is you really didn't include enough information. What gear do you use now? It may be that you have a multieffects unit that can be programmed to provide coverage and a really suitable amp (or an infinity of other setups). We don't know because you didn't tell us.
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Can the Line 6 do a suitable distortion sound? I don't think the tube screamer is going to cut it. Once you have a distortion you like, the delay and the phaser can be used to get the guts of the sound. In the part where there is a fast sweep (of the effects sound) going on in the solo you could get close by using the flanger instead of a wah wah.

So get distortion sound as close as you can using your existing gear (including the TS if need be) then experiment with the delay and phaser to get as close as possible. Slap the flanger on in the bits where the other set up isn't cutting it and again adjust to taste.

I'm not sure how fanatical your listeners are (chances are not at all) but if you can translate the attitude of the sound onto stage the particulars of the equipment will matter less than you think.

Hope this helps

SOAD are OK I guess I just don't like them
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Thanks for taking your time to respond. I really appreciate that. I'm going through a kink her again. When I turn up the gain on my amp or to the pedal along with the delay, phaser, and flanger I get this really choppy sound if I play a couple of notes together... How can I avoid that? I tried turning down the volume on the guitar, but it gives it a lighter sound... Almost as if it was clean. Thanks again.

Ps. Im going to treat myself to a new amp for Christmas. Any suggestions?


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Can the Line 6 do a suitable distortion sound? I don't think the tube screamer is going to cut it. Once you have a distortion you like, the delay and the phaser can be used to get the guts of the sound. In the part where there is a fast sweep (of the effects sound) going on in the solo you could get close by using the flanger instead of a wah wah.

So get distortion sound as close as you can using your existing gear (including the TS if need be) then experiment with the delay and phaser to get as close as possible. Slap the flanger on in the bits where the other set up isn't cutting it and again adjust to taste.

I'm not sure how fanatical your listeners are (chances are not at all) but if you can translate the attitude of the sound onto stage the particulars of the equipment will matter less than you think.

Hope this helps

SOAD are OK I guess I just don't like them
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It may be a function of the phaser and the flanger acting together.

With any signal problem take one element out at a time until you remove the issue. Running Flange and Phase at the same time is always going to need careful adjustment of rates or else you will get unintended peaks and troughs.

Diagnosing sound problems via text is also a complete nightmare. If I could hear it I could give better advice.
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Ugh... I suck really bad with these effects. I can't even get close.... Maybe I don't have it set right. Just wanted to thank you for taking your time to help me.


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It may be a function of the phaser and the flanger acting together.

With any signal problem take one element out at a time until you remove the issue. Running Flange and Phase at the same time is always going to need careful adjustment of rates or else you will get unintended peaks and troughs.

Diagnosing sound problems via text is also a complete nightmare. If I could hear it I could give better advice.
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Just curious, are you running your delay in front of your amp distortion? I used to play in a stoner rock band and my co-guitarist used to run a delay in front of his ts'd jcm800....sounded similar to your dilemma, kinda like balls. Sweaty man balls flapping around in fuzzy underwear.
Anyhow, sticking your delay in your fx loop will probably fix most of that. Although NoFro is definitely onto the modulation thing, and like he said, its hard to know without hearing it.
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Just curious, are you running your delay in front of your amp distortion? I used to play in a stoner rock band and my co-guitarist used to run a delay in front of his ts'd jcm800....sounded similar to your dilemma, kinda like balls. Sweaty man balls flapping around in fuzzy underwear.
Anyhow, sticking your delay in your fx loop will probably fix most of that. Although NoFro is definitely onto the modulation thing, and like he said, its hard to know without hearing it.
Actually I had the noise suppression to the delay, then to the amp. I was messing with it and the old man ball sound is almost gone.. now I have to mess with the modulation. I play on Friday night.
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