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Old 01.29.10, 11:49 AM
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Recording Rig

So everyone posts their Guitar/Amp rig but no one really talks about what they use in terms of a recording set-up. So this iwas our set up for the following song:

www.virb.com/sundaymorningheadline

so tell me what you think sounded good, what could have been better, etc. Also, the track is not mastered yet.

Live tracking
Apple G5 tower, pro-tools 32 channel board (at Montreal's Oscar Peterson Concert Hall)

Overhead L-AKG 414
Overhead R-AKG414
Snare-Electro-Voice N/D468 Dynamic Supercardioid
Tom 1-Sure SM57 (the are drum mics after all)
Tom 2- Sure SM57
Tom 3- Sure SM57
Kick Drum-Audio Technica Tom Mic (that's wha it's called...it's from the early 90's and doesn;'t seem to have a product number)
Guitar (effected)-EVRE20
Guitar(always clean)Sennheiser MD441
Guitar (distance)- CAD Trion7000
Bass-Direct
Bass- Behringer Condenser (Neuman knock off...it's from the 90's and doesn't suck...it surprised me too)

Dubs
IMac G4, ART Tube Fire 8 (Adobe Audio Suite)

Guitar (Effected)-Electro-Voice N/D468 Dynamic Supercardioid
Guitar (Always Clean)-Electro-Voice N/D468 Dynamic Supercardioid
Guitar (Hollow mic'd in conjunction with the mics pointed at the amps...to achieve a "stringy" sound)
Bass-Beringer Condenser
All Vocals-CAD Equitek (similar to the E300 but from the 90's when they were more cylindrical)

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So everyone posts their Guitar/Amp rig but no one really talks about what they use in terms of a recording set-up. So this iwas our set up for the following song:

www.virb.com/sundaymorningheadline

so tell me what you think sounded good, what could have been better, etc. Also, the track is not mastered yet.

Live tracking
Apple G5 tower, pro-tools 32 channel board (at Montreal's Oscar Peterson Concert Hall)

Overhead L-AKG 414
Overhead R-AKG414
Snare-Electro-Voice N/D468 Dynamic Supercardioid
Tom 1-Sure SM57 (the are drum mics after all)
Tom 2- Sure SM57
Tom 3- Sure SM57
Kick Drum-Audio Technica Tom Mic (that's wha it's called...it's from the early 90's and doesn;'t seem to have a product number)
Guitar (effected)-EVRE20
Guitar(always clean)Sennheiser MD441
Guitar (distance)- CAD Trion7000
Bass-Direct
Bass- Behringer Condenser (Neuman knock off...it's from the 90's and doesn't suck...it surprised me too)

Dubs
IMac G4, ART Tube Fire 8 (Adobe Audio Suite)

Guitar (Effected)-Electro-Voice N/D468 Dynamic Supercardioid
Guitar (Always Clean)-Electro-Voice N/D468 Dynamic Supercardioid
Guitar (Hollow mic'd in conjunction with the mics pointed at the amps...to achieve a "stringy" sound)
Bass-Beringer Condenser
All Vocals-CAD Equitek (similar to the E300 but from the 90's when they were more cylindrical)

Wednesday
Your drums need more compression. Try using a sub mix : Send the kick, snare, toms, and maybe a little overheads to an aux channel with a compression with a super-low threshold (-40 or below) and compress it at about 1.5 to 1. Put an eq after the compressor and run it in low pass mode setting only frequencies bellow 700 to 800 hz.

The AKG 414 is a classic mid-budget overhead, and they comes through well.

The toms sound flat and boring, that's what happens when you mic them with a 57.

The snare sounds fine, but you should mic it from bellow too (so you get more crackle). Of course put the bottom mic in invert phase mode. If you don't have enough channels to mic it run two toms with one mic, as the snare is priority. The kick drum sounds okay it's a little flat, but that could just be placement.

Bass feels like it's mixed a little low. Bass is very important for funk. Maybe a little more grit on the sound. Try a sans amp to dirty up the sound a bit. Another trick is to distort the bass (hi-end mostly) a little bit so you can effectively pan it a little bit to the left.

I'm curious what you're using for a guitar amp, and how many guitarist you have?

It sounds a bit like John Frusciante's rig, and if you're going for that sound he doesn't use a lot of far mics or fancy mics at that. He runs everything through a vintage (Plexi) Marshall micing his favorite speaker with one 57 and he uses the DS-2 for distortion. He also pans his main live guitar to the Right (oposite of the hi-hat).

This also reminds me a bit of Incubus. Of course in early Incubus Mike Einziger PRS through Mesa. However, I really prefer his later tone (too bad Dirk wasn't with them to create the perfect band). Jazzmasters, SGs through Marshall Plexis.

I think you guys would almost sound better if you pulled your guitar tone from early 70s funk. Eddie Hazel comes to mind. He used big high head room Marshall's (JMP-era), Strats, lots of phasers, wah (crybaby), and of course fuzz (Fuzzface, Fulltone '70).

A Fender Showman and a Music Man or any other Fender would probably be perfect for clean tones, with a 2x12" with either Jensens or Oxfords (I prefer the later).

Lots of potential, and the mix actually sounds pretty good.
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